http://debacle.tumblr.com/post/3041940865/the-pratfall-of-penny-arcade-a-timeline
Is not funny. When I hear it or see it used in something other than its generally established correct usage or being spoken of as something even remotely connected to something positive, I tune out or ignore the person speaking. People like that are not the kind I want to be even remotely, indirectly associated with. I don’t even want to read or hear what they have to say. Which is why you won’t see me on Xbox Live or random internet chat rooms anytime soon.
“omg lol noob I just raped that idiot”
/ignore
/move on
The other option being to speak up and try to educate first, then ignore and move on. With the result that now you’re a target for the trolls and morons, and there’s a lot of them. Too many for me to want to deal with. One-liner of “adult-speak” admonition and then that’s it. I have no problems right-clicking someone’s name and selecting “Ignore” or better yet “Report for harassment” but that’s about as much energy I’m willing to spend on cleaning up the 4chan that Wow has become.
Why has Wow become 4chan?
1. LFD.
2. Cross-realm battlegrounds.
3. Arena leetkids. Or maybe not. Just seems that this type of attitude is very prevalent among arena diehards. Many exceptions, no doubt. You might be that exception.
Back to the whole Penny Arcade and “rape culture” thing. I had no idea about the “rape culture” concept til I read that tumblr thing linked above. Yay. I just got educated, so thanks much to the person who put it together. Here’s some worthwhile stuff I found:
http://www.mencanstoprape.org/
http://www.facebook.com/mcsrape – I’m a slacktivist.
I’ve enjoyed Penny Arcade for years. Love their comics. Some of them are offensive. I wasn’t offended by the whole “rape” comic and thought it was funny for the exact reason it was intended to be funny. Then again, I’ve never been raped. None of my friends have ever told me they’ve been raped. Stands to statistical likelihood that someone I know has been raped but I just don’t know about it. I have never raped anyone.
Their Greater Internet ****wad Theory is some of the best stuff on the internet as far as I’m concerned. [I need an acronym for that - guess "afaic" will do, kinda like "afaik" for as far as I know.] I’d suggest they just link to one of the “Men Can Stop Rape” things on their page and call it a day. Good people would get some traffic and the people crying about “trigger mechanism” might stop crying. Anything can be a trigger mechanism. If you have such things I suggest you walk very carefully or try to work through your issues. The rest of society won’t be stopping what they’re doing to put “PTSD trigger warning” on ANYTHING that could be even remotely offensive. Like an action movie on TV for people who just got back from Iraq. Or the sight of a crayon advertisement for someone who almost died from choking on crayons when they were little.
I empathize with your problems and hope you get through them, like I got through mine (mostly). Not that my old personal problems were of the PTSD or rape-induced type. But they sucked all the same.
There won’t be a “trigger mechanism” warning on top of this blog, for the simple reason that if I were to put one up there then where’s that leave the survivors of the 2004 Tsunami? War survivors? Incest victims? Jewish Holocaust victims? Where does it stop? At what point do I say – enough with the multiplying trigger warnings, read at your own risk.
Right now. Right here. Anything you read on the internet is at your own risk. If something smells even remotely fishy or nasty to me I’m simply NOT. GOING. TO. CLICK. THE. LINK. I’ve walked into offices on ships late at night and had some supposed buddy of mine wave me over to the computer when I’m too tired from a 10-hour watch to pay attention and “Hey, look at this” ooooooh god nooooooooo I did not just see that yes I did oh hell I need to go read or listen to or see something that will completely take that image out of my head. You are responsible for the consequences of your own actions, on the internet and irl. If you have a very specific issue with certain content (I do, with regards to extreme pornography, pornography involving males, watching people get killed or hurt – though I seem to be fine with that irl – and similar traditionally obscene or generally-accepted-as-offensive content) then the burden is on YOU to avoid that stuff. Or de-sensitize yourself to it. Or seek professional help.
I understand that you have a problem but we might as well put a “trigger warning” on the entire frickin’ world because somewhere, someone will be offended by something. I’m wracking my brain for a solution and all I can come up with is the stuff that parents (I’m not one, yet) use to protect their kids on the internet. Wouldn’t something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content-control_software help?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content-control_software
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_controls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_safety
The above is what I came up with in about 2min of searching. The alternatives being ofc that the rest of the world change to meet your needs. Or don’t use the internet. Or something else that I can’t quite think of myself. Maybe someone smarter than I can come up with a better solution. People could stop being violent to each other, I suppose. That would include rape, most of the time, I’m guessing.
G.I.F.T. – Penny Arcade [and myself maybe? - scary thought] has, like Eisenhorn’s syndrome, basically become the very thing that that comic was made as a protest against. Ok, they’re not as anonymous as they once were. They’re mini-celebrities now. But you’re still trolling feminists and bloggers and whatnot. Ok, it’s a bit of a stretch, but there’s something there. You have a huge audience. You say whatever you want, and make comics of whatever using the words that are in common usage in internet gaming (see top of this post) – and you do it WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE. Except now a bunch of people are thinking twice about some convention you organize. PAX East or whatever. I don’t convention much so I couldn’t care less, but I’m guessing you care. All of a sudden there are consequences. I’m guessing the consequences are a bit of a big deal to you. Not that whatsisname and the other guy aren’t good people. They are. A bunch of the arch-feminists are basically professionally and permanently offended by anything. But yay for consequences. Consequences promote good social behaviour. Which is no longer the case in Wow. Part of the reason I don’t play.
One last thing: Wheaton’s Law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wil_Wheaton#Wheaton.27s_Law
During his keynote speech at the 2007 PAX (Penny Arcade Expo), Wheaton made a note about sportsmanship when playing games online. It has since become known as Wheaton’s Law, which states: “Don’t Be a Dick!”[33] This was intended to apply to life in general, not just online gaming.[34]
I solely play on PVP servers. On pvp servers you can attack anyone at any time unless that person is in an instance, in a Sanctuary area (hate those) or un-flagged in their faction city or starting zones. If you don’t like me attacking you I invite you to instead choose an environment where I am unable to affect you. That’s called PVE servers. Those are for people who don’t want to deal with enemy players attacking them. There’s plenty more of them than there are pvp servers.
If you’re involved in anything whatsoever on a pvp server out in the world, then you’re open to attack. That includes fighting mobs, farming or questing or just tooling around. Additionally, you have the option to roll with friends, stay in cities, queue for BGs and dungeons and raids from the safety of your town or starting area. Or you can just mount up and fly straight up and now I can’t touch you. And I’m almost always heavily outnumbered since I only ever play on the underdog side of any server, because I have to have my challenge. If play is not challenging I leave and find something else to do.
My basic argument is that me attacking you on a PVP server does not fall under the “Don’t Be a Dick” rule. You consented to having me be able to do it. In fact, pvp servers are specifically set apart for this express purpose. If you think me attacking you when you’re fighting something else is a dick move, then please find a better, safer environment where you won’t have to deal with stressors or triggers like myself. Perhaps an environment specifically designed for your particular playstyle, just like the PVP server environment is specifically designed for my playstyle. I don’t tell you how to spend your time or how you should play, and I would appreciate you letting me play the way I want to in the environments that are specifically designed for such player versus player gaming.
Last call: The term “dickwolf” is not something I really understand. Is “vaginabear” offensive? “Teamrape” is an inherently offensive term to me and people trying to push that type of content or trying to get attention with it should be actioned. Somehow.
In the end, this whole history has exposed me to stuff I’d never heard of before, made Penny Arcade appreciate a bit more the consequences of a little word in a comic they found funny, and hopefully educated a bunch of people about the stuff. At least some good has come out of it. I’m guessing they’ll be a bit more careful in the future now that it’s THEIR wives, children and PAX convention that’s being affected, and not just random feminists on the internet who are offended.
Thank you.
Enjoy being offended by what I just wrote. Personally I consider myself a fairly reasonable dude. But I guess some people would disagree. Yay internet arguments.
In other news, “Best Of Wow Pvp 02/10″ should be out at a WCM near you. Today.
EDIT 3:
- Mike draws a comic on UStream. His music selection during broadcast includes Tori Amos (a rape survivor) and “Tiny Little Mustache” by Stephen Lynch, about a woman who is a Nazi.
The above is just nuts, and the only spot I could find where the person (female, with an axe to grind against PA, though she very admirably and well tries to remain almost neutral). So males are now forbidden from listening to music made by alleged rape survivors (I know nothing about Tori Amos, if someone says she’s a rape survivor I have reason to believe otherwise – I’m talking about what’s general allowed behaviour and not here) while drawing comics that could be construed as offensive or have anything to do with phalluses. It smells of conspiracy theory and demonizing – sort of the same kind of stuff rape survivors have been dealing with for years with regards to “she brought it on herself, the slut” and “well, did she fight him off?” The “debacle” author, who – let me re-emphasize this – does a GREAT job at trying to put together an actually useful and sincere timeline – tries to explain this in a later post in her “about” section or whatever.
Unfortunately it seems like she’s just desperately trying to rationalize her ad hominem attack regarding the music choice. So what if whatsisname is a Tori Amos fan? Not that the comment necessarily needs to come down, but it really does expose the author as a bit whack and with a very vested interest in demonizing the PA guys. They do it well enough themselves, I would think. There’s no real need for conspiracy theories when the accepted and widely available truth is so well known. But I guess she’s getting plenty of heat for that stupid comment in places like this TO WHICH SHE LINKS – so meh. If she feels that she was wrong about that little conspiracy theory she could always leave it up and put a note inside brackets saying [Hey, I might have been wrong about this. Sorry. Feel free to criticize me for having made a mistake.]
EDIT: Moved all the Wow-only related stuff down here since apparently there are some visitors to this blog that I should have counted on but didn’t. My mistake.
Speaking of which, if I do ever come back to play Wow I’ve been thinking about getting into addon coding. With zero prior coding experience, unless you count a class in BASIC about …1988 timeframe, on a Commodore 64 iirc. I did, in said class, fix up a program so well that my bff sitting next to me at the time, did actually tear up his scratch-sheet and physically eat his program.
The addon would be a very very simple thing. Right-click any name in chat. Or right-click any name in the BG standings. Or right-click target portrait. Copy name, guild-name and server name into populating a list. What you want to do with that list is up to you. I would use it for name reporting. I’m on an RP server and I like it that way. If your character name is “Internet The Explorer” and you’re on a non-RP server then I’m happy for you. I have no basis on which to report your name and generally just ignore crap like that in BGs. Unless your name is “Turdburglar” or “Fecaleater” or “Pööpmaggot” or somesuch. And people in /trade and /general acting out, misbehaving, extreme trash-talking along the lines of irl threats and use of extremely offensive language. Not that I haven’t been guilty of such sometimes. I’m no angel.
The heading of the notepad-style list would be something like “No need to contact. I’d like to report the following names for violating the TOS/TOU.”
EDIT 2:
You may or may not care, but one of the biggest nerd websites on the planet is called MMO-Champion. Its main admin feels that “rape” and “raping” is just general gaming vocabulary. http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/826739-Add-quot-raped-quot-and-quot-raping-quot-to-the-word-filter
I personally don’t agree with him, and ofc the people who have been raped or had a friend/sibling be raped probably do not. But otoh I can definitely see where he’s coming from, and depending on what subset of the subculture you’re talking about he’s pretty much spot on. Plug in to Xbox Live or any Playstation thing and you’ll see how this and calling each other “niggas” or whatever is so widespread. It’s the lowest common denominator at work. I myself have used the term “gay” in a non-sexual derogative manner on plenty of occasions, so not like I’m immune either.
EDIT 3:
Ask every woman in your life if she has been sexually assaulted. Ask her to tell you her story. This means your mother, your sister, your girlfriend, your grandma.
Once you have heard all their stories, go watch a movie with a rape scene in it. One you didn’t mind before. One you thought people were overly offended by.
Now tell me a joke.
http://fugitivus.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/a-woman-walks-into-a-rape-uh-bar/
So the word rape is not funny. But the dickwolves comic is funny. Oh. Ok. That makes perfect sense.
Your logic is trite and pedantic, and you’re not saying anything that every dipshit asshole PVPer whose forum posts look like an alphabet soup factory explosion has ever used as an excuse for being an utter fuckwad.
I don’t knolw why the person who’s running the Debacle tumblr linked to you, but she might as well have linked to a random post on the WOW General Discussion forum for all the edifying commentary it constituted. Maybe you and the people you gripe about at the beginning of your post aren’t so different after all.
Ooh – look at those cool $5 words! You must be smart! I envy your counter argumentative skills. So much so that I shall not even attempt to debate with you – you have already won. A whole entire internet, even!
FYI – there was another comment replying to Kade’s relatively mature post. It’s the first legit comment I’ve ever not approved on this blog.
Reason: “fucking feminazi whore,” “suckmycock-itis” and such.
I generally go by a philosophy of “what would a reasonable, disinterested, uninvolved independent bystander think” when dealing with these things. If you disagree with me I’m ok with that, in fact I approve of antagonistic discussion, free debate and all that stuff that makes the US of A such a great place to live. But hopefully people now will realize what kind of commentary will and will not be allowed around here.
For further details on what kind of person I am with what kind of belief system, see http://reasonablydoubtingnews.blogspot.com – which is maybe where I should have posted this in the first place. But it’s generally about Penny Arcade, which is a gaming related comic, and this is my old wow gaming blog. Meh.
Anyway, flame on, people.
So to summarize your point: All those whiny bitchez should Man Up or GTFO because trigger warnings and common human decency is just too hard for an internet slacktivist like you.
Got it.
(Trigger warning: Cats)
I love cats.
I feel like the original strip, and any discussion on trigger warnings, is beginning to miss the point. It seems like the majority of the people are upset by Mike and Jerry’s response to all this, crystallized in the form of the shirt. The shirt, independent of Mike and Jerry’s intentions has crystallized into a strange sort of symbol of mocking rape survivors and their allies for ‘being so upset about dickwolves.’ The hard part now seems to be that Mike and Jerry do not want to acknowledge that this has happened, and who can blame them? No one likes to see their work perverted.
Still, if PAX wants to be as inclusive as it purports to be, this symbolism needs to be acknowledged and defused.
Maybe I’m nieve, but I really do think that a sincere apology from Mike might be enough to defuse this whole thing. At least it would se the right tone.
Just RE: the place of the word “rape” in the WoW player lexicon… By pure coincidence (completely unaware of the Penny Arcade debacle until reading your article), I have been having an internal debate on using the word “rape” in game. It’s gone a little like this:
I almost always am tanking in WoW. (No PvP for me.) On occasion, when describing certain encounters, said things like “We’ve got to burn down _____ fast or else the healer will get raped” or “Watch your aggro when I’m kiting the boss or you will get raped.” Recently, I caught myself using this language and wondered if it was appropriate. I avoided its use for a while, and actually found out that my instructions were less effective. In effect, I believe, BECAUSE the term “rape” is strong language, it gets paid attention to.
Death is not a threat in WoW. Death is an expectation–either the party or raid, or the trash or the boss, are going to die. Depending on your groups, this may happen a few times per week, or several times per dungeon. Moreover, individual death is not often seen as a failure–groups can often overcome a single death and continue the encounter. “Wipe” is slightly stronger language, but people are still semi-used to wipes, and wipes also come with the connotation that failure is a group effort, not an individual result. (“I’m dropping because we wiped,” even though you were the one that broke CC on the one add that couldn’t afford to be broken.)
Rape, on the other hand, is more of a “meta” term. I guess some trolls (and maybe other circles I’m not part of–PvPers?) may throw the word around freely, even bragging, but in my experience it is still fairly novel… Most people take it to mean, less the specific sexual mechanics, exactly what it means IRL: a violent, unwanted, abusive attack upon one’s person. You might not mind dying a few times in a dungeon, and I am not bothered by the occasional wipe, but NOBODY likes the idea of being raped. (Well, those who do should probably consider some therapy.)
It seems like a lot of this PA debacle started from people who were offended at the casual use of the word “rape”. On the contrary, I think the PA guys probably cooked up that specific (in-game) scenario specifically because it sounded like an extreme, horrific situation, for the point of making commentary on just how disconnected players are from the internal goings-on of the game and its story.
Now, I’m not sure if I agree with that… Some of the most thought-provoking and challenging moments in the game, and some of the deepest player responses, have come from quests and other sources of lore that rubbed our real-life sensibilities in the wrong way. Even though it’s just pixels and text, a lot of players were seriously disturbed when, say, we were forced to torture the Beryl Sorcerer in Northrend. There’s the “Letter from Home” too. I thought some of the most intriguing parts of Wrath was the very heart-of-darkness type of journey that we went on as we pushed towards Icecrown Citadel.
But regardless, I wasn’t offended by the Penny Arcade strip because I think such language has its place… Not because we live in a “rape culture”, but precisely because we do not. I’m sorry for anyone I get in a random that takes the word “rape” as a trigger, or is offended in my casual use of the word. But for the majority of players, it seems it’s just a very effective word at getting a point across. So if it gets the job done, I’ll use it.
“If you have a very specific issue with certain content …then the burden is on YOU to avoid that stuff.”
Well yeah, sure, but the joke we’re talking about came up right in the middle of a funny comic about videogames. I don’t really see any way someone with specific issues with the subject matter could have foreseen and avoided it.
The poster is exactly correct even if his writing is terrible. It is not The Internet’s job to protect anyone from being offended, triggered, or what have you. One would expect to run into the word ‘rape’ while frequenting a video game webcomic with a history of crass and offensive language. If that is a word that triggers your PTSD, that is very unfortunate and I am truly sorry for you, but I do not believe the writers of that comic owe you an apology.
I’ll start with a story.
When I was a teenager, I saw the movie Deliverance. A lot of it went over my head; I was most impressed by the music, the scenery and the broken leg.
Then I was raped. And then I saw the movie again. This time, I was affected much, much differently by one scene anyone familiar with the movie would know. In fact, I had to leave and go cry because I was reliving my own experience.
What does this have to do with the casual use of the word “rape”? Because once you’ve experienced it, or know what someone went through because of it, you find out the word is exceptionally powerful.
When a person uses a word like that, one that evokes strong visceral reactions, one should have respect for that power. Because sometimes the situation merits such a strong word… and often, it doesn’t. Basic human decency asks that we not deliberately traumatize other people for no reason. The way that the word “rape” is tossed around does exactly that.
So when Penny Arcade used it as an allusion, I got it. I wasn’t comfortable with it, and I understand why some people were offended. But I understand the point they were making. The problem was that it came across as making fun of people who are raped; and more so, the response cartoon did, and even moreso the decision to put out “team dickwolf’ shirts did. With every step, they dug themselves in deeper, so that the entire point they were trying to make with the original cartoon (which was I assume having to do with the absurdity of many of the “assist” ingame quests) was lost.
I don’t feel entitled to live my life free of offense, and I don’t think anyone else should either; but at the same time, everyone also is free to own and express their own feelings. And when someone does something really offensive, people have the right to express that they are offended, and ask for a change in behavior or try to educate the person. And maybe a responsibility.. because a lot of people are rude and offensive out of sheer ignorance, not malice. Particularly when it comes to tossing around the word “rape”.
Ouch. Yet another reason for me never wanting to see that movie or movies like that. I’d rather be entertained than horrified or shocked. Glad you’re doing better, though.